Fracking claims refuted by opponent groups

Friends of the Earth

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A REPORT claiming a controversial drilling technique would not be as visually intrusive as a wind farm or solar farm has been slammed by those against the process.

Professor David McKay, the Government’s former chief scientific advisor, also said a wind farm would need 700 times more land compared to a fracking site, where drills are used to extract shale gas from deep below ground by blasting chemicals and water into the earth to hydrualically fracture or "frack" the rock.

Richard Lane, from York and Ryedale Friends of the Earth group, said: "At the moment shale gas is in the early stages of exploration in the UK - estimates of what is possible are only guesswork.

"Visual intrusion is certainly one of fracking's lesser crimes.

"Prof Mackay chose not to include in his blog post any estimates of the pollution created by each source - particularly the enormous amount of polluted water which is generated by fracking and will then require disposal, or the likely global warming impact of "fugitive" methane emissions.

"His estimate that a fracking well could last 25 years is not borne out by experience in the US."

John Cossham, chairman of Frack Free York, said he was more concerned about the environmental impact of the process.

He added: "Pro-frackers are just looking at making a profit in the next decade, whereas I'm looking at what planet my teenage children are going to inherit when they are my age.

"Climate change is going to kill people.

"If we submit anymore carbon dioxide we are going to be toast and we are putting the future of life on earth at risk."

Meanwhile, a new anti-fracking campaign group for Ryedale has been set up to monitor the work of gas companies conducting seismic tests in the area.

Frack Free Ryedale has been set up by Frack Free North Yorkshire in its bid to step up the fight against fracking in Ryedale and has gradually been gathering support.

TESLA, carrying out surveys on behalf of gas company Third Energy UK Gas Limited which has drilling licenses over the area, has set up seismic testing equipment in areas around Nunnington, Stonegrave, Brawby, Swinton, Hovingham, Slingsly, Terrington and Coulton.
 

* A group of anti-fracking cyclists set off from Blackpool yesterday, where the UK's first high volume hydraulic fracturing for shale gas took place, and will arrive in York today as part of their journey across the north to promote their message and find out more about the 'unconventional gas' industry.

They will set off from York Minster at 9am tomorrow for a 35-mile trip to Crawberry Hill, Beverley, from where they will head to Hull on Saturday.

Supporters are being invited to attend the send-off.

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8:40am Thu 21 Aug 14

old_geezer says...

Please, for the sake of your career in journalism, learn the difference between "refute" and "deny". (Also diffuse/defuse, phase/faze, hoard/horde, grisly/grizzly etc ad nauseam)
Please, for the sake of your career in journalism, learn the difference between "refute" and "deny". (Also diffuse/defuse, phase/faze, hoard/horde, grisly/grizzly etc ad nauseam) old_geezer
  • Score: 15

8:54am Thu 21 Aug 14

mjgyork says...

Once again we see that the anti (nuclear power, wind turbines fracking etc. etc.) brigade do not offer any solutions. This resource WILL be exploited at some point in the future. Probably by the oft-cited children and/or grandchildren when they are freezing rather than 'toasting'. They are more likely to be asking: "Why did we have to wait so long...?"
Once again we see that the anti (nuclear power, wind turbines fracking etc. etc.) brigade do not offer any solutions. This resource WILL be exploited at some point in the future. Probably by the oft-cited children and/or grandchildren when they are freezing rather than 'toasting'. They are more likely to be asking: "Why did we have to wait so long...?" mjgyork
  • Score: 9

9:04am Thu 21 Aug 14

ModelCitizen says...

Lazy brackets for lazy minds. I'm pro nuclear and anti fracking. How does that fit in with your stereotype?
Lazy brackets for lazy minds. I'm pro nuclear and anti fracking. How does that fit in with your stereotype? ModelCitizen
  • Score: 1

9:07am Thu 21 Aug 14

uriahh says...

I never cease to inwardly laugh out loud but also despair every time the Green Brigade makes public utterances about CO2 and global warming or fracking. Goebbels would have been proud of them! Tell a lie often enough and people will believe it!

Given intended and possibly even improved levels of UK monitoring and supervision for UK fracking - something the USA has never had and, initially at least, certainly never had for its fracking operations, and sensible application of the Planning procedures with necessary intensive interrogation of the Companies involved with committed quantified parameters and durations for traffic, water use and disposal and with simple models of the works intended at drilling, fracking and extraction stages, then there should be no problems. This together with the general risks such as water contamination, seismic risks etc. as assessed and judged by government agencies and consultants, will be sufficient. There should, however, also be some national oversight on such PA procedures, given the strategic needs for energy and energy security, to ensure local considerations are not the only views taken into consideration.

What is wrong is the unrepresentative hysterical and unsubstantiated outbursts on such matters by the Green Party, FOE, WWF et al which continues to receive disproportionate reporting in the media and which continues to indoctrinate too many of us to their way of thinking!
I never cease to inwardly laugh out loud but also despair every time the Green Brigade makes public utterances about CO2 and global warming or fracking. Goebbels would have been proud of them! Tell a lie often enough and people will believe it! Given intended and possibly even improved levels of UK monitoring and supervision for UK fracking - something the USA has never had and, initially at least, certainly never had for its fracking operations, and sensible application of the Planning procedures with necessary intensive interrogation of the Companies involved with committed quantified parameters and durations for traffic, water use and disposal and with simple models of the works intended at drilling, fracking and extraction stages, then there should be no problems. This together with the general risks such as water contamination, seismic risks etc. as assessed and judged by government agencies and consultants, will be sufficient. There should, however, also be some national oversight on such PA procedures, given the strategic needs for energy and energy security, to ensure local considerations are not the only views taken into consideration. What is wrong is the unrepresentative hysterical and unsubstantiated outbursts on such matters by the Green Party, FOE, WWF et al which continues to receive disproportionate reporting in the media and which continues to indoctrinate too many of us to their way of thinking! uriahh
  • Score: 8

10:28am Thu 21 Aug 14

BethFoxhunter96 says...

I love the anti green nonsense comments here. Who'd have thought trying to stop pollution and cancers and make a lovely country to live in was such a terrible idea!!!

Fracking is hugely environmentally destructive. The pro-CO2 lobby can shout all it likes. It used to be open mines, coal... now it's fracking. Just ways of trying to justify making aquick wad of cash by digging up, drilling or now fracking a piece of the earth and burning it for cheap energy.

The sun always shines and the wind always blow. Rivers always flow and tides always... erm... do their thing. We should be exploiting these free, abundant sources of energy, rather than fracking for gas. Gas which let's remember seeps out into water supplies so that you can light water as it comes out of taps!

Even if flat-earthers want to deny climate change, or any human link to it, no one can argue that less pollution is a bad thing. Fossil fuels cause cancer and a huge range of health defects. I don't want that for my family or friends.

A complete change to our energy market is required. We need hundreds of small energy producing companies investing in wine, sun, wave, hydro and tidal power. We need to break up the big six energy companies. We need to put massive taxes on those companies which pump out pollution in order to make lots of money at the expense of the environment, or who try to justify their actions as some sort of heroic contribution to the economy. There is a better way.
I love the anti green nonsense comments here. Who'd have thought trying to stop pollution and cancers and make a lovely country to live in was such a terrible idea!!! Fracking is hugely environmentally destructive. The pro-CO2 lobby can shout all it likes. It used to be open mines, coal... now it's fracking. Just ways of trying to justify making aquick wad of cash by digging up, drilling or now fracking a piece of the earth and burning it for cheap energy. The sun always shines and the wind always blow. Rivers always flow and tides always... erm... do their thing. We should be exploiting these free, abundant sources of energy, rather than fracking for gas. Gas which let's remember seeps out into water supplies so that you can light water as it comes out of taps! Even if flat-earthers want to deny climate change, or any human link to it, no one can argue that less pollution is a bad thing. Fossil fuels cause cancer and a huge range of health defects. I don't want that for my family or friends. A complete change to our energy market is required. We need hundreds of small energy producing companies investing in wine, sun, wave, hydro and tidal power. We need to break up the big six energy companies. We need to put massive taxes on those companies which pump out pollution in order to make lots of money at the expense of the environment, or who try to justify their actions as some sort of heroic contribution to the economy. There is a better way. BethFoxhunter96
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10:36am Thu 21 Aug 14

BethFoxhunter96 says...

old_geezer wrote:
Please, for the sake of your career in journalism, learn the difference between "refute" and "deny". (Also diffuse/defuse, phase/faze, hoard/horde, grisly/grizzly etc ad nauseam)
Comment contributors also seem to get duel and dual mixed up fairly easily - pistols at dawn on any article that mentions transport!!
[quote][p][bold]old_geezer[/bold] wrote: Please, for the sake of your career in journalism, learn the difference between "refute" and "deny". (Also diffuse/defuse, phase/faze, hoard/horde, grisly/grizzly etc ad nauseam)[/p][/quote]Comment contributors also seem to get duel and dual mixed up fairly easily - pistols at dawn on any article that mentions transport!! BethFoxhunter96
  • Score: 5

11:50am Thu 21 Aug 14

Leeby2 says...

A complete change to our energy market is required. We need hundreds of small energy producing companies investing in wine, sun, wave, hydro and tidal power.

Wine power? I quite like the sound of that - will the wine be a by-product?!
A complete change to our energy market is required. We need hundreds of small energy producing companies investing in wine, sun, wave, hydro and tidal power. Wine power? I quite like the sound of that - will the wine be a by-product?! Leeby2
  • Score: 16

11:59am Thu 21 Aug 14

BethFoxhunter96 says...

Leeby2 wrote:
A complete change to our energy market is required. We need hundreds of small energy producing companies investing in wine, sun, wave, hydro and tidal power.

Wine power? I quite like the sound of that - will the wine be a by-product?!
;)Awkward... I can't even drink.. legall... till next week :D... think that should read "wind", not "wine", though reading through the nonsense of smudge, badger's drift and other profile-multis "whine power" may be more appropriate, all the hot air could power an airship! :D
[quote][p][bold]Leeby2[/bold] wrote: A complete change to our energy market is required. We need hundreds of small energy producing companies investing in wine, sun, wave, hydro and tidal power. Wine power? I quite like the sound of that - will the wine be a by-product?![/p][/quote];)Awkward... I can't even drink.. legall... till next week :D... think that should read "wind", not "wine", though reading through the nonsense of smudge, badger's drift and other profile-multis "whine power" may be more appropriate, all the hot air could power an airship! :D BethFoxhunter96
  • Score: 4

5:52pm Thu 21 Aug 14

B Chudrun says...

David Mackay knows about well depletions - and thus the trouble with 25 year productivity assumptions. He gave evidence to the Economic Affairs Select Committee in the House of Lords warning that wells can suffer up to 70% drops in production after their first year "so in the UK 2000 (+) would have to be drilled each year" Has he forgotten the evidence he himself gave? We haven't. The Industry call this uneconomic and unsustainable nature of fracking 'the red queen' : you have to keep running just to stand still. Waiting for sustainability to be the basis of economic planning as much as sustainability in energy policy. Is it our 4 year political cycle thats the real problem here? Or just general irresponsibility in Gvmt?
David Mackay knows about well depletions - and thus the trouble with 25 year productivity assumptions. He gave evidence to the Economic Affairs Select Committee in the House of Lords warning that wells can suffer up to 70% drops in production after their first year "so in the UK 2000 (+) would have to be drilled each year" Has he forgotten the evidence he himself gave? We haven't. The Industry call this uneconomic and unsustainable nature of fracking 'the red queen' : you have to keep running just to stand still. Waiting for sustainability to be the basis of economic planning as much as sustainability in energy policy. Is it our 4 year political cycle thats the real problem here? Or just general irresponsibility in Gvmt? B Chudrun
  • Score: -2

8:33pm Thu 21 Aug 14

strangebuttrue? says...

The campaigners have still have not answered my last comments on this subject. What about the old and vulnerable who are actually dying each winter right now in their tens of thousands as they cannot afford to heat their homes due to the rising cost of energy which is largely being pushed up artificially, in part, due to green levies to pay for unaffordable renewables.

Maybe I am not seeing the bigger picture and some 30,000+ vulnerable old folk freezing to death each year in their own homes is a small price to pay for going green? I must say though it disgusts me that we appear to overlook this side effect and that these minority campaign groups get so much air time.

Correct me if I am wrong but was it not our very own John Cossham who told us that Fracking will not reduce energy costs and his part in making sure energy prices remain high would be to make the Government spend lots of money policing anti fracking protests? Perhaps he could badger the council into putting up signs all over York saying "frack free zone" that no one would take any notice of at a cost of say £600k?
The campaigners have still have not answered my last comments on this subject. What about the old and vulnerable who are actually dying each winter right now in their tens of thousands as they cannot afford to heat their homes due to the rising cost of energy which is largely being pushed up artificially, in part, due to green levies to pay for unaffordable renewables. Maybe I am not seeing the bigger picture and some 30,000+ vulnerable old folk freezing to death each year in their own homes is a small price to pay for going green? I must say though it disgusts me that we appear to overlook this side effect and that these minority campaign groups get so much air time. Correct me if I am wrong but was it not our very own John Cossham who told us that Fracking will not reduce energy costs and his part in making sure energy prices remain high would be to make the Government spend lots of money policing anti fracking protests? Perhaps he could badger the council into putting up signs all over York saying "frack free zone" that no one would take any notice of at a cost of say £600k? strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -65

10:04pm Fri 22 Aug 14

strangebuttrue? says...

I see the score adjusting thing has singled me out for special attention on this one. Must be getting near the truth. Thank you for the encouragement I will try to contribute more often.
I see the score adjusting thing has singled me out for special attention on this one. Must be getting near the truth. Thank you for the encouragement I will try to contribute more often. strangebuttrue?
  • Score: -4

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