Wentworth Street car park plan rejected

Gazette & Herald: Wentworth Street car park plan rejected Wentworth Street car park plan rejected

NORTON Town Council has rejected amended plans to build a supermarket on Wentworth Street car park in Malton.

A revised scheme has been submitted for the site by developer GMI Holbeck Ltd.

The plan, which comes 18 months after Ryedale district councillors were “minded to grant” planning permission for the store, includes an enhanced walkway to Malton Market Place, three hours free parking and a public piazza for community events.

Last year, a Government planning inspector ruled that the district council should reconsider the approval of plans to develop the car park and that proposals for Malton livestock market by the Fitzwilliam (Malton) Estate should be allowed.

Councillor Paul Farndale said the amended planning application took everything back to the drawing board once again.

“The district council is not listening to what people are saying and I personally think an enormous supermarket is not suitable for Malton,” he said.

“If they must bring one to Ryedale why not have it in Pickering.”

Coun Farndale said he would like to see a Premier Inn or something similar on the site.

“That would bring people into the town and we would still have the car park, which would be much better for Malton and Norton,” he said.

“Let Pickering or Helmsley have the supermarket and see how their shops survive.”

Councillor David Lloyd-Williams said it was the return of a situation which was declared unlawful last time. “Although it is slightly smaller a lot of things that will be sold there are already available at shops across the two towns,” he said.

“Pickering is welcome to it. They have a Lidl coming so maybe they would like another supermarket. I certainly don’t think we need another one here, there is no capacity now the livestock market site has approval.”

Councillor Jonathan Gray said he was concerned about losing the car park. “I do think the towns will regret it in the future,” he said.

“It is important to have a car park in the town particularly when we get the number of vehicles here at events such as the food festival.”

However deputy mayor Councillor Di Keal added: “I think we much be very careful with misinformation and inflammatory comments.”

Councillors voted in favour of refusing the application with two abstentions.

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2:50pm Tue 31 Dec 13

baileyuk says...

does Malton need another supermarket? no. the traffic problem is bad enough.. any plans for supermarkets should be looked at with them being built on the outskirts, either York rd Ind est, or norton.. the congestion that morrisons brings is a joke.. but fact is unless folk use wentworth st then its going to get built on.. perhaps double yellows all around malton would maybe force the issue and allow traffic to move more freely at the same time..
does Malton need another supermarket? no. the traffic problem is bad enough.. any plans for supermarkets should be looked at with them being built on the outskirts, either York rd Ind est, or norton.. the congestion that morrisons brings is a joke.. but fact is unless folk use wentworth st then its going to get built on.. perhaps double yellows all around malton would maybe force the issue and allow traffic to move more freely at the same time.. baileyuk

11:34pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Roger S says...

What inane childish comments about Pickering but Kirkbymoorside definitely would have one so they could stop visiting Malton - they actually had a proper poll there not just traders shouting. As if many people would visit a town because there is a Premier Inn? Wentworth supermarket would mean a bigger car park for Malton? When will the opponents stop using that argument falsely? It's an ideal place for a supermarket. Everybody wants them near the town centres, or at least it's a main reason the livestock market was lauded, for being 30 yards nearer the centre (or parts of it that ran past vocal traders shops). I don't think most people are against wentworth supermarket at all and it will ease the congestion near Morrisons, much of which is caused by the level crossing and rush hour anyway. It's not even that bad in the grand scheme. We don't know if anyone wants to open an upmarket one in the livestock market yet, it's not been announced and it will be too small anyway + only a few toffs will use it regularly
What inane childish comments about Pickering but Kirkbymoorside definitely would have one so they could stop visiting Malton - they actually had a proper poll there not just traders shouting. As if many people would visit a town because there is a Premier Inn? Wentworth supermarket would mean a bigger car park for Malton? When will the opponents stop using that argument falsely? It's an ideal place for a supermarket. Everybody wants them near the town centres, or at least it's a main reason the livestock market was lauded, for being 30 yards nearer the centre (or parts of it that ran past vocal traders shops). I don't think most people are against wentworth supermarket at all and it will ease the congestion near Morrisons, much of which is caused by the level crossing and rush hour anyway. It's not even that bad in the grand scheme. We don't know if anyone wants to open an upmarket one in the livestock market yet, it's not been announced and it will be too small anyway + only a few toffs will use it regularly Roger S

12:52am Wed 1 Jan 14

twotonethomas says...

Those norton town councillors sound as if they are a ickle wickle bit upset at Pickering for refusing to subsidise their CCTV cameras anymore.

Get over it.
Those norton town councillors sound as if they are a ickle wickle bit upset at Pickering for refusing to subsidise their CCTV cameras anymore. Get over it. twotonethomas

10:19am Wed 1 Jan 14

granny sue says...

twotonethomas wrote:
Those norton town councillors sound as if they are a ickle wickle bit upset at Pickering for refusing to subsidise their CCTV cameras anymore.

Get over it.
Two words need inserting to make this comment correct. It should read " their TOTALLY INNADEQUATE CCTV cameras. The current CCTV system as we know it does not work and is totally outdated and if the only way Norton town cllrs can get their names in the paper is by using outlandish comments to snipe at other very hardworking communities then stuff em.
[quote][p][bold]twotonethomas[/bold] wrote: Those norton town councillors sound as if they are a ickle wickle bit upset at Pickering for refusing to subsidise their CCTV cameras anymore. Get over it.[/p][/quote]Two words need inserting to make this comment correct. It should read " their TOTALLY INNADEQUATE CCTV cameras. The current CCTV system as we know it does not work and is totally outdated and if the only way Norton town cllrs can get their names in the paper is by using outlandish comments to snipe at other very hardworking communities then stuff em. granny sue

1:52pm Wed 1 Jan 14

baileyuk says...

majority of congestion is caused by morrisons in its location... the amount of times i have seen traffic stranded across the traffic lights because of someone turning right into morrisons, or travelling from norton the que builds up cos the lights turn to red and folk do not enter the yellow box outside morrisons but then this allows those leaving morrisons to take up the space,,, if you actually watch at most times of the day out of say 20 cars moving across the lights away from morrisons at least 50% are leaving morrisons.. take this away and the centre of malton would be a lot less congested,,, yes the level crossing does cause problems but not as much as morrisons..
majority of congestion is caused by morrisons in its location... the amount of times i have seen traffic stranded across the traffic lights because of someone turning right into morrisons, or travelling from norton the que builds up cos the lights turn to red and folk do not enter the yellow box outside morrisons but then this allows those leaving morrisons to take up the space,,, if you actually watch at most times of the day out of say 20 cars moving across the lights away from morrisons at least 50% are leaving morrisons.. take this away and the centre of malton would be a lot less congested,,, yes the level crossing does cause problems but not as much as morrisons.. baileyuk

8:42am Thu 2 Jan 14

Stewart says...

Roger S wrote:
What inane childish comments about Pickering but Kirkbymoorside definitely would have one so they could stop visiting Malton - they actually had a proper poll there not just traders shouting. As if many people would visit a town because there is a Premier Inn? Wentworth supermarket would mean a bigger car park for Malton? When will the opponents stop using that argument falsely? It's an ideal place for a supermarket. Everybody wants them near the town centres, or at least it's a main reason the livestock market was lauded, for being 30 yards nearer the centre (or parts of it that ran past vocal traders shops). I don't think most people are against wentworth supermarket at all and it will ease the congestion near Morrisons, much of which is caused by the level crossing and rush hour anyway. It's not even that bad in the grand scheme. We don't know if anyone wants to open an upmarket one in the livestock market yet, it's not been announced and it will be too small anyway + only a few toffs will use it regularly
I couldn't have put it better. If they want to ease congestion near Morrisons then another supermarket would be the best way to do that. I understand that the Morrisons in Malton is one of the busiest in Yorkshire. This kind of demonstrates that another large one is required.

Mr. Lloyd-Williams arguments are weak. I would like him to explain which items a new supermarket would sell that would affect trade elsewhere in Malton and Norton. If it is clothing and electrical goods then that is a joke. That is the reason so much money is spent out of Ryedale as people will travel to Monks Cross to buy the goods they need. I think what a lot of these self-appointed leaders expect is for locals to shop in the upmarket delis. Many of these are over-priced and close at 5pm, which is no good to working people.

Sadly Norton and Malton town councils (why they can't just have one council is ridiculous) are pensioners clubs. There are a few progressive people but they just get shouted down. Maybe there should be proper elections for the town councillors so it is a fair representation. Most of the members are just voted in by their fellow cronies.

Good luck to the district council and let's hope this application is successful.
[quote][p][bold]Roger S[/bold] wrote: What inane childish comments about Pickering but Kirkbymoorside definitely would have one so they could stop visiting Malton - they actually had a proper poll there not just traders shouting. As if many people would visit a town because there is a Premier Inn? Wentworth supermarket would mean a bigger car park for Malton? When will the opponents stop using that argument falsely? It's an ideal place for a supermarket. Everybody wants them near the town centres, or at least it's a main reason the livestock market was lauded, for being 30 yards nearer the centre (or parts of it that ran past vocal traders shops). I don't think most people are against wentworth supermarket at all and it will ease the congestion near Morrisons, much of which is caused by the level crossing and rush hour anyway. It's not even that bad in the grand scheme. We don't know if anyone wants to open an upmarket one in the livestock market yet, it's not been announced and it will be too small anyway + only a few toffs will use it regularly[/p][/quote]I couldn't have put it better. If they want to ease congestion near Morrisons then another supermarket would be the best way to do that. I understand that the Morrisons in Malton is one of the busiest in Yorkshire. This kind of demonstrates that another large one is required. Mr. Lloyd-Williams arguments are weak. I would like him to explain which items a new supermarket would sell that would affect trade elsewhere in Malton and Norton. If it is clothing and electrical goods then that is a joke. That is the reason so much money is spent out of Ryedale as people will travel to Monks Cross to buy the goods they need. I think what a lot of these self-appointed leaders expect is for locals to shop in the upmarket delis. Many of these are over-priced and close at 5pm, which is no good to working people. Sadly Norton and Malton town councils (why they can't just have one council is ridiculous) are pensioners clubs. There are a few progressive people but they just get shouted down. Maybe there should be proper elections for the town councillors so it is a fair representation. Most of the members are just voted in by their fellow cronies. Good luck to the district council and let's hope this application is successful. Stewart

6:46pm Thu 2 Jan 14

baileyuk says...

how would opening another supermarket in malton ease congestion? surely the same amount of traffic, if not more traffic would be passing through streets that are still designed for horse and cart?

the congestion at the lights near morrisons would still happen as well as even more congestion at the broughton rd junction,,,,

i suspect those that want the supermarket and increased traffic are the same as those opposing the whitewall plans on the same basis of traffic movements..

surely the best allround decision would be for a new supermarket to be on norton grove ind estate? with easy access to east/west A64 and surrounding areas..
how would opening another supermarket in malton ease congestion? surely the same amount of traffic, if not more traffic would be passing through streets that are still designed for horse and cart? the congestion at the lights near morrisons would still happen as well as even more congestion at the broughton rd junction,,,, i suspect those that want the supermarket and increased traffic are the same as those opposing the whitewall plans on the same basis of traffic movements.. surely the best allround decision would be for a new supermarket to be on norton grove ind estate? with easy access to east/west A64 and surrounding areas.. baileyuk

10:42pm Sat 4 Jan 14

Snuffers says...

There are so many other things that Malton needs, I could write a long list, (here are just a few), the one thing it has plenty of are, Super-Markets.
A river that floods year on year, nothing seems to be happening. No theatre of any consequence, yes people are trying, a very mild attempt at a Dickensian Culture, that alone would bring in tens of Millions year on year in tourism. I am reliably informed with a little more enthusiasm the river Derwent should be a Salmon river, estimated to add to the pot, at least Nine Million a year. There has been a great start with the Food Market, but there could be so much more in my opinion .And in the mean time a Super Market here, another one there, wow!
There are so many other things that Malton needs, I could write a long list, (here are just a few), the one thing it has plenty of are, Super-Markets. A river that floods year on year, nothing seems to be happening. No theatre of any consequence, yes people are trying, a very mild attempt at a Dickensian Culture, that alone would bring in tens of Millions year on year in tourism. I am reliably informed with a little more enthusiasm the river Derwent should be a Salmon river, estimated to add to the pot, at least Nine Million a year. There has been a great start with the Food Market, but there could be so much more in my opinion .And in the mean time a Super Market here, another one there, wow! Snuffers

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